I got the bare-bones torch-driven Elev8r because I am poor and already had a j-hook. It's a fantastic combination, but I finally got tired of not being able to just set the j-hook down with the bowl still on it and never got around to making a stand. I eventually got this so I could. I doesn't cool quite as much as the j-hook, but it's so much simpler to heat, vape and set it down without worries that I don't use the j-hook for the Elev8r at all anymore.